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01:33:11 PM Start
01:34:13 PM SB189
03:06:28 PM Adjourn
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= SB 189 CRIME OF SEX/HUMAN TRAFFICKING
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 30, 2022                                                                                         
                           1:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Roger Holland, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Mike Shower, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Myers (via Teams)                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 189                                                                                                             
"An Act  relating to sex  trafficking; establishing the  crime of                                                               
patron of a  victim of sex trafficking; relating to  the crime of                                                               
human  trafficking; relating  to sentencing  for sex  trafficking                                                               
and  patron of  a  victim of  sex  trafficking; establishing  the                                                               
process  for   a  vacatur  of   judgment  for  a   conviction  of                                                               
prostitution; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 189                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CRIME OF SEX/HUMAN TRAFFICKING                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ED KING, Staff                                                                                                                  
Senator Roger Holland                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a summary of changes in the                                                                      
committee substitute (CS) for SB 189, from Version A to Version                                                                 
I on behalf of the committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
KACI SCHROEDER, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                      
Legal Services Section                                                                                                          
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified and answered legal questions on SB
189, Version I, and amendments under consideration.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DIANE CASTO, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Alaska Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault                                                                          
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on Amendment 8 to SB 189.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CATHY SCHLINGHEYDE, Staff                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Explained Amendment 10 to SB 189 on behalf                                                                
of the sponsor.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Deputy Attorney General                                                                                          
Office of the Attorney General                                                                                                  
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified and  answered legal questions on SB
189, Version I, and amendments under consideration.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  ROGER   HOLLAND  called  the  Senate   Judiciary  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 1:33  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Myers (via  Teams), Hughes,  Shower, Kiehl,                                                               
and Chair Holland.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
             SB 189-CRIME OF SEX/HUMAN TRAFFICKING                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL NO. 189                                                               
"An Act  relating to sex  trafficking; establishing the  crime of                                                               
patron of a  victim of sex trafficking; relating to  the crime of                                                               
human  trafficking; relating  to sentencing  for sex  trafficking                                                               
and  patron of  a  victim of  sex  trafficking; establishing  the                                                               
processor   a   vacatur  of   judgment   for   a  conviction   of                                                               
prostitution; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[SB 189 was  previously heard on 2/28/22,  3/2/22, 3/4/22, 3/7/22                                                               
and 3/9/22, and  3/16/22. Public testimony was  opened and closed                                                               
on 3/4/22.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND solicited a motion  to adopt the proposed committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for SB 189.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER moved  to adopt the committee  substitute (CS) for                                                               
SB 189, work order 32-GS2029\I, as the working document.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:35:00 PM                                                                                                                    
ED KING, Staff, Senator Roger  Holland, Alaska State Legislature,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska, explained  the Summary of Changes  from Version A                                                               
to Version I of SB 189 on behalf of the committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. KING  stated that Section  2 rearranges some of  the offenses                                                               
and redefines some of the  classifications in the bill. Section 3                                                               
provides  the significant  changes in  the committee  substitute,                                                               
Version I.  He advised  members that  Section 3  needs additional                                                               
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:35:29 PM                                                                                                                    
     Section 1: Technical and conforming changes                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Section 2: New section to add victims of sex                                                                          
      trafficking to AS 09.25.400 (relating to counseling                                                                       
     for victims)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
      Section 3: Former section 2. Amended to clarify the                                                                       
     classification of sex trafficking offenses, which are                                                                      
     now                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        I. First degree (Unclassified) includes inducing                                                                        
     another person to engaging in                                                                                              
          a.  sexual penetration  with the  use of  force or                                                                    
          threat of force                                                                                                       
          b. any sexual conduct if the victim is under 20                                                                       
          c.  any  sexual  conduct  if   victim  is  in  the                                                                    
          offender's legal custody.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      II. Second degree (class A felony) includes inducing                                                                      
     another person to engaging in                                                                                              
          a. sexual penetration without force                                                                                   
          b. sexual contact with the  use of force or threat                                                                    
          of force                                                                                                              
          c.   sexual  conduct   involving  other   coercive                                                                    
          behaviors                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     III. Third degree (class B felony) includes                                                                                
          a. inducing  another person  to engaging  in other                                                                    
          commercial sexual conduct                                                                                             
          b.   providing  services,   resources,  or   other                                                                    
          assistance  worth over  $200  with  the intent  to                                                                    
          promote sex trafficking                                                                                               
          c. managing,  supervising, controlling,  or owning                                                                    
          a    prostitution   enterprise    or   place    of                                                                    
          prostitution                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     IV.  Third   degree  (class   C  felony)   includes  a.                                                                    
     providing  services,  resources,  or  other  assistance                                                                    
     worth less  than $200  with the  intent to  promote sex                                                                    
     trafficking                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:06 PM                                                                                                                    
     No changes to  AS 11.41.355 (Patron of a  victim of sex                                                                    
     trafficking)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 4-16: Technical and conforming change                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17:   New  section  to  add   victims  of  sex                                                                    
     trafficking  to  AS  12.45.049 (relating  to  privilege                                                                    
     during discovery, testimony, and evidence)                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 18-22: Technical and conforming changes                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 23:  Adds a five-year  look back  provision for                                                                    
     convictions of prostitution                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 24-27: Technical and conforming changes                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 28:  Makes several changes  to the  vacation of                                                                    
     judgment sections,  including: 1.  Includes misdemeanor                                                                    
     drug  charges as  eligible to  be vacated  2. Clarifies                                                                    
     that the courts may grant  a petition if the prosecutor                                                                    
     doesn't  object  within  45 days  3.  Explains  that  a                                                                    
     petition to vacate  does not give rise to  a jury trial                                                                    
     4.  Directs the  courts  to remove  vacated cases  from                                                                    
     Court  View  if  there   are  no  corresponding  felony                                                                    
     charges in the case                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:37:17 PM                                                                                                                    
     Section  29-30:  New sections  to  add  victims of  sex                                                                    
     trafficking to  AS 18.66.210 (relating  to confidential                                                                    
     communications) and AS  18.66.250 (definition of victim                                                                    
     in confidential communications)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 31: Technical and conforming changes                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 32: New section  to ensure a person petitioning                                                                    
     to vacate a judgment is entitled to a public defender                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 33-35: Technical and conforming changes                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  36:   New  section  to  add   sex  trafficking                                                                    
     statutes  to  the  offenses  that   can  result  in  an                                                                    
         administrative subpoena for assistance from an                                                                         
     internet provider                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 37-42: Technical and conforming changes                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 43: Extends the effective date of the vacation                                                                     
     of judgment sections to January 1, 2023, to allow the                                                                      
     Courts time to develop forms and procedures                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 44: Conforming change                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  removed  his  objection;   he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Version I was adopted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:38:41 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:38:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:39:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  asked Mr. Skidmore  and Ms. Schroeder to  speak to                                                               
the implications of the changes in Version I.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:29 PM                                                                                                                    
KACI  SCHROEDER,  Assistant   Attorney  General,  Legal  Services                                                               
Section, Criminal  Division, Department  of Law,  Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
stated that  the committee substitute,  Version I,  relocates the                                                               
crime of sex trafficking to AS  11.41, as in the original version                                                               
of  the bill,  Version  A. She  expressed  appreciation that  the                                                               
committee  allowed  the  Department  of  Law  to  state  why  the                                                               
department  believes  the  crime  of  sex  trafficking  was  more                                                               
appropriately placed in  AS 11.41 [instead of in AS  11.66, as in                                                               
Version  B of  SB  189.]  As Mr.  King  indicated, the  remaining                                                               
changes are primarily conforming and minor.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:40:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER   highlighted  significant  changes  in   the  sex                                                               
trafficking  and human  trafficking  statutes in  Section 3.  She                                                               
noted  that the  Department of  Law restructured  Section 3.  The                                                               
department assigned the highest  offense level to those offenders                                                               
who victimize  a person  in the  sex trafficker's  legal custody,                                                               
under the  age of 20,  or if they force  the victim to  engage in                                                               
sexual  penetration and  bestiality.  She stated  that those  sex                                                               
trafficking offenses  that did not  involve penetration  would be                                                               
charged at  a lower  level. She summarized  that Section  3 would                                                               
establish the  gradation of crimes  based on the type  of conduct                                                               
forced on or coerced from the person.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:40:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND solicited questions from members.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL acknowledged the work  that committee staff and DOL                                                               
put into  Version I. He  stated that it  was a big  step forward,                                                               
and it includes much of what  the committee discussed at the last                                                               
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:41:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  asked the  record to  reflect that  the committee                                                               
must be cautious and balance  prosecutorial discretion and ensure                                                               
that  people  have  advocates  and a  fair  trial.  He  cautioned                                                               
against  ruining a  17  or 18-year-old's  life  because they  did                                                               
something stupid but unintentional.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  1,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2029\I.1                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2029\I.1                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      3/28/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 3:                                                                                                            
          Delete "commercial sexual conduct involving"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:43:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND explained Amendment 1  was a technical amendment to                                                               
correct a drafting error and remove duplicate language.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER asked for clarification  on Amendment 1 because he                                                               
noticed that the language also appears on page 2.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  responded  that  Amendment  1  would  remove  the                                                               
duplicate language.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:43:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:43:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS stated  that the  language in  Amendment 1  is the                                                               
exact language on page 2, line 19  of Version I. He asked why the                                                               
language would be removed from one provision but not the other.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  pointed out that  it was  the same language  as on                                                               
page 2,  lines 30-31 of Version  I. She said if  Amendment 1 were                                                               
adopted,  the language  would read,  "induces  or causes  another                                                               
person  to  engage in  commercial  sexual  conduct involving  (A)                                                               
sexual   penetration,    (B)   conduct   prohibited    under   AS                                                               
11.61.140(a)(6);  or (C)  sexual contact."  It  would remove  the                                                               
duplicative "commercial sexual contact" language.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS removed his objection.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  explained that the language  as currently written                                                               
[page 2, lines  30-31 through page 3, line  4] reads, "(1)induces                                                               
or causes another  person to engage in  commercial sexual conduct                                                               
involving (A)  sexual penetration,  (B) conduct  prohibited under                                                               
AS 11.61.140(a)(6);  or (C)  commercial sexual  conduct involving                                                               
sexual  contact through  the  use  of force  or  threat of  force                                                               
against any person;  or ...." She suggested  that the duplicative                                                               
"commercial sexual contact" needed to be removed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES removed her objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  1 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:45:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  2,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2029\I.5.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2029\I.5                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      3/29/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                 BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                    
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 18, line 5, following "convicted":                                                                                    
          Insert "once"                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND  explained  that   Amendment  2  was  a  technical                                                               
correction to conform to the change  in Section 10. It would make                                                               
a third offense within five years a class C felony.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:46:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER  explained  that  Amendment  2  was  a  conforming                                                               
change. The  committee decided to  have a five-year  lookback for                                                               
misdemeanor "johns." In  an earlier section of the  bill, a third                                                               
conviction for  being a  "john" within five  years was  a felony.                                                               
Under  Amendment 2,  the  first  conviction would  be  a class  A                                                               
misdemeanor  with  no  mandatory  minimum.  A  second  conviction                                                               
within five  years would  result in  a minimum  72-hour mandatory                                                               
imprisonment, and a  third conviction within five  years would be                                                               
a felony.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES  asked  what  penalty would  apply  to  a  person                                                               
convicted twice in the previous five years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  answered that  this  would  apply on  the  second                                                               
conviction. If  the "john" had  been previously  convicted twice,                                                               
it would be  considered a third conviction within  five years, so                                                               
it would be elevated to a felony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  2 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:55 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  3,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2029\I.2.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2029\I.2                                                                  
                                               Ambrose/Radford                                                                  
                                                      3/29/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 3                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 19, lines 6 - 7:                                                                                                      
          Delete "[AS 11.66.100 - 11.66.130;                                                                                    
               (G)]"                                                                                                            
          Insert "AS 11.66.100 [AS 11.66.100 - 11.66.130];                                                                  
               (G)"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 19, line 9:                                                                                                           
          Delete "(G) [(H)]"                                                                                                
          Insert "(H)"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:48:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER directed  attention to page 19.  She explained that                                                               
Amendment  3 pertained  to the  definition  of "serious  offense"                                                               
regarding  background checks  for people  seeking to  serve in  a                                                               
supervisory role over  the elderly or minors.  Under current law,                                                               
prostitution is listed as a  serious offense. She stated that the                                                               
Department of Law  would like to keep it in  place and delete the                                                               
rest  of the  sex  trafficking statutes  because  they have  been                                                               
repealed and moved to AS 11.66.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS noted  that  this  language was  the  same as  the                                                               
original bill. He asked what had changed.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER answered  that nothing  had  changed. Amendment  3                                                               
would correct a drafting error.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:49:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  3 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:49:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  4,  work  order  32-                                                               
GS2029\I.4.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 32-GS2029\I.4                                                                  
                                                      Radford                                                                   
                                                      3/28/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 4                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 10, line 20:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 23.10.350(f)(1), (f)(2), and (f)(3)(A)                                                                     
     and (B);"                                                                                                                  
          Insert "AS 23.10.350(f)(1) - (3)"                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:49:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER explained Amendment 4  would alter the reference to                                                               
adult  entertainment pertaining  to human  trafficking. It  would                                                               
include  simulated   bestiality  and  the  definition   of  adult                                                               
entertainment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND  asked whether  this  was  considered a  technical                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER answered yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER said it sounded  more substantive than a technical                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER responded  that when the Department  of Law drafted                                                               
the bill, the department wanted  to ensure that actual bestiality                                                               
is  a   crime  included  in   sex  trafficking.   However,  human                                                               
trafficking did  not have  the crime of  someone being  forced to                                                               
engage in simulated bestiality. She  noted that the definition of                                                               
adult entertainment already included simulated bestiality.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  4 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:51:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  5,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 5                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, line 17, following "if":                                                                                           
          Insert ", under circumstances not proscribed                                                                          
     under AS 11.41.434 - 11.41.440,"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:51:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER explained  that Amendment 5 would  add the language                                                               
of sexual abuse of  a minor statute to the patron  of a victim of                                                               
sex trafficking. It would state  that under the circumstances not                                                               
proscribed under sexual abuse of a  minor, the crime of patron of                                                               
a victim  of sex trafficking  could apply. The Department  of Law                                                               
uses "circumstances  not proscribed" to identify  overlap between                                                               
offenses. When  the victim of  sex trafficking is under  18 years                                                               
of age,  there is an  overlap between the  crime of "patron  of a                                                               
victim  of sex  trafficking" and  "sexual abuse  of a  minor," so                                                               
adding this  language would  help prevent  a situation  where the                                                               
department must charge at the lower offense.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  asked whether  the language  "under circumstances                                                               
not proscribed" would provide prosecutorial discretion.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER responded  the language  "under circumstances  not                                                               
proscribed" tells  the attorney to consider  the statutes listed,                                                               
in this  case, "sexual abuse  of a  minor." If that  offense does                                                               
not apply,  the attorney could  consider the "patron of  a victim                                                               
of sex trafficking" statute. She  pointed out that the department                                                               
could charge  the offender with  several offenses based  on their                                                               
conduct. For example, a patron  engaging in sexual conduct with a                                                               
10-year-old could also  be charged with sexual abuse  of a minor.                                                               
Ultimately,  the charges  are merged  during sentencing  to avoid                                                               
punishing the offender more than once for their conduct.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:54:09 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SHOWER stated  that although  he intends  to remove  his                                                               
objection,  he was  concerned that  this might  provide too  much                                                               
discretion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  wondered  whether  this provision  was  meant  to                                                               
ensure that  the prosecutor  could charge  the offender  with the                                                               
appropriate  crime,  which was  the  more  egregious offense.  He                                                               
acknowledged that it isn't possible  to envision every situation,                                                               
so it's  possible that the  prosecutors would have no  choice but                                                               
to  charge the  offender with  a minor  offense of  "patron of  a                                                               
victim  of sex  trafficking"  when they  should  be charged  with                                                               
"sexual abuse of a minor" because the crime was rape.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES related  a scenario  that involved  a 10-year-old                                                               
victim. She  understood that the prosecutor  would first consider                                                               
the  offense "sexual  abuse of  a minor."  She asked  whether the                                                               
prosecutor would  be able to  charge for  the lesser crime  or if                                                               
they must charge for the more serious offense.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER responded  that it  was likely  that a  prosecutor                                                               
would charge the  offender with the offense of sexual  abuse of a                                                               
minor in the first degree. It  is also possible that the offender                                                               
could  be   charged  under  other   statutes.  She   agreed  that                                                               
prosecutors have the discretion to  resolve the case in different                                                               
ways if  the elements  of the other  statutes were  met. However,                                                               
those choices  are present in almost  all charging circumstances.                                                               
If  someone's conduct  meets the  elements of  multiple offenses,                                                               
prosecutors  would have  numerous ways  to resolve  the case  via                                                               
Court Rule 11 related to plea agreements.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  whether  she was  aware  of any  incidence                                                               
involving minors where the prosecutor would not have discretion.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER explained  that she referred to the  rule of lenity                                                               
or  the rule  of strict  construction.  If a  lower offense  more                                                               
closely  matches the  conduct at  issue  and there  are no  other                                                               
distinctions,  the  rule of  lenity  requires  the prosecutor  to                                                               
charge the lower offense. Amendment  5 would allow the prosecutor                                                               
to  separate  the  overlapping offenses.  She  pointed  out  that                                                               
significant  overlap  exists  throughout  Title  11.  It  becomes                                                               
problematic when the lower offense  is the more specific conduct,                                                               
so Amendment 5 would alleviate that problem.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES stated  her concern  was  that prosecutors  could                                                               
charge an offender  with a lesser offense than sexual  abuse of a                                                               
minor.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  5 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:58:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  6,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 6                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, lines 4 - 5:                                                                                                      
          Delete "AS 12.10.010(a) is amended to read:                                                                           
          (a)"                                                                                                                  
          Insert "AS 12.10.010 is amended to read:                                                                              
         Sec. 12.10.010. General time limitations. (a)"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, line 12:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 11.41.350, 11.41.425"                                                                                  
          Insert "AS 11.41.425"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, line 21:                                                                                                          
          Delete "first, second, or third"                                                                                  
          Insert "first or second"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 11, following line 22:                                                                                                
     Insert a new subsection to read:                                                                                           
          "(b)  Except as otherwise provided by law or in                                                                       
     (a) of  this section, a  person may not  be prosecuted,                                                                    
     tried,   or  punished   for  an   offense  unless   the                                                                    
     indictment is found or the  information or complaint is                                                                    
     instituted not later than                                                                                                  
               (1)  10 years after the commission of a                                                                          
     felony   offense  in   violation   of  AS 11.41.120   -                                                                    
     11.41.330,   11.41.350,   11.41.366,   11.41.425(a)(1),                                                                
     11.41.425(a)(5),   11.41.425(a)(6),   or  11.41.450   -                                                                    
     11.41.458; or                                                                                                              
               (2)  five years after the commission of any                                                                      
     other offense."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER explained  that Amendment 6 would  create a statute                                                               
of  limitations of  ten years  for sex  trafficking in  the third                                                               
degree  and human  trafficking in  the third  degree. She  stated                                                               
that Version I  was drafted for an unlimited  lookback, but these                                                               
crimes  relate to  the lower-level  offenses,  such as  providing                                                               
resources and assistance.  The Department of Law  believes that a                                                               
10-year statute of limitations would be appropriate.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:59:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no  further objection,  and Amendment  6 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:00:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  7,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                                                      3/29/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 7                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 28:                                                                                                           
     Delete "AS 11.41.340"                                                                                                      
     Insert "(A) of this paragraph, AS 11.41.340,"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:00:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:00:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  that Amendment  7 provides  a technical                                                               
change related to  sex trafficking in the third  degree. It would                                                               
add  the language  "causing or  inducing sexual  contact," rather                                                               
than   limiting  the   offense   to   conduct  involving   sexual                                                               
penetration.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER  stated that  the Department of  Law does  not have                                                               
any position on Amendment 7.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  pointed out  that the sponsor  described it  as a                                                               
technical amendment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  agreed with the characterization  that Amendment 7                                                               
was technical. Amendment 7 would  indicate that someone providing                                                               
resources  or other  assistance  to promote  a  violation of  the                                                               
human trafficking in the first,  second, or third-degree would be                                                               
engaging in sex trafficking in the third degree.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  removed  his  objection;   he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 7 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Amendment 8, work order 32-                                                                        
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                                                      3/30/22                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 8                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                    
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 5, following "substance;":                                                                                  
          Insert "relating to the Council on Domestic                                                                         
     Violence and Sexual Assault;"                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 22, following line 25:                                                                                                
     Insert new bill sections to read:                                                                                          
        "* Sec. 29. AS 18.66.010 is amended to read:                                                                        
          Sec. 18.66.010. Council on Domestic Violence and                                                                    
     Sexual Assault;  purpose. There  is established  in the                                                                  
     Department  of Public  Safety the  Council on  Domestic                                                                    
     Violence  and  Sexual  Assault.   The  purpose  of  the                                                                    
     council is to provide  for planning and coordination of                                                                    
     services   to  victims   of   domestic  violence,   sex                                                                
     trafficking,  or sexual  assault or  to their  families                                                                
     and  to perpetrators  of domestic  violence and  sexual                                                                    
     assault  and to  provide  for  crisis intervention  and                                                                    
     prevention programs.                                                                                                       
        * Sec. 30. AS 18.66.050 is amended to read:                                                                           
          Sec. 18.66.050. Duties of the council. The                                                                          
     council shall                                                                                                            
               (1)  hire an executive director, and the                                                                         
     executive  director  may   hire  staff;  the  executive                                                                    
     director is  in the  exempt service  under AS 39.25.110                                                                    
     and staff  members are in the  classified service under                                                                    
     AS 39.25.100;                                                                                                              
               (2)  elect one of its members as presiding                                                                       
     officer;                                                                                                                   
               (3)  in consultation with authorities in the                                                                     
     field,  develop,   implement,  maintain,   and  monitor                                                                    
     domestic   violence,   sexual   assault,   and   crisis                                                                    
     intervention   and   prevention   programs,   including                                                                    
     educational  programs, films,  and school  curricula on                                                                    
     the  cause,  prevention,   and  treatment  of  domestic                                                                    
     violence, sex trafficking, and sexual assault;                                                                         
               (4)    coordinate  services provided  by  the                                                                    
     Department  of Law,  the  Department  of Education  and                                                                    
     Early  Development, the  Department  of Public  Safety,                                                                    
     the  Department  of  Health and  Social  Services,  the                                                                    
     Department  of Corrections,  and  other state  agencies                                                                    
     and  community groups  dealing with  domestic violence,                                                                    
     sex   trafficking,    sexual   assault,    and   crisis                                                                
     intervention  and  prevention,  and  provide  technical                                                                    
     assistance  as requested  by those  state agencies  and                                                                    
     community groups;                                                                                                          
               (5)   develop  and  implement a  standardized                                                                    
     data  collection  system   on  domestic  violence,  sex                                                                
     trafficking,  sexual assault,  and crisis  intervention                                                                
     and prevention;                                                                                                            
               (6)   conduct public hearings and  studies on                                                                    
     issues   relating  to   violence,  including   domestic                                                                    
     violence, sex  trafficking, and sexual assault,  and on                                                                
     issues relating to the role  of crisis intervention and                                                                    
     prevention;                                                                                                                
               (7)   receive and dispense state  and federal                                                                    
     money   and    award   grants   and    contracts   from                                                                    
     appropriations  for  the  purpose  to  qualified  local                                                                    
     community  entities   for  domestic   violence,  sexual                                                                    
     assault,   and  crisis   intervention  and   prevention                                                                    
     programs;                                                                                                                  
               (8)   oversee  and  audit domestic  violence,                                                                    
     sexual assault, and  crisis intervention and prevention                                                                    
     programs that receive money under this chapter;                                                                            
               (9)  provide  fiscal and technical assistance                                                                    
     to plan,  organize, implement, and  administer domestic                                                                    
     violence, sexual  assault, and crisis  intervention and                                                                    
     prevention programs;                                                                                                       
               (10)   make an annual report  to the governor                                                                    
     on the activities of the  council, plans of the council                                                                    
     for  new services  and programs,  and  concerns of  the                                                                    
     council,  including   recommendations  for  legislation                                                                    
     necessary to  carry out the  purposes of  this chapter;                                                                    
     the  council  shall  notify the  legislature  that  the                                                                    
     report is available;                                                                                                       
               (11)   adopt  regulations in  accordance with                                                                    
     AS 44.62  (Administrative Procedure  Act) to  carry out                                                                    
     the  purposes  of  this  chapter  and  to  protect  the                                                                    
     health,  safety,  well-being,  and privacy  of  persons                                                                    
     receiving  services financed  with grants  or contracts                                                                    
     under this chapter;                                                                                                        
               (12)  consult with the Department of Health                                                                      
     and  Social Services  in the  formulation of  standards                                                                    
     and procedures for the delivery  of services to victims                                                                    
     of  domestic violence  by  health  care facilities  and                                                                    
     practitioners of  healing arts  and personnel  in those                                                                    
     facilities as required in AS 18.66.300;                                                                                    
               (13)  consult with the Alaska Police                                                                             
     Standards  Council and  other police  training programs                                                                    
     in  the state  to develop  training programs  regarding                                                                    
     domestic   violence  for   police   officers  and   for                                                                    
     correction, probation, and parole officers;                                                                                
               (14)  consult with public employers, the                                                                         
     Alaska   Supreme    Court,   school    districts,   and                                                                    
     prosecuting   authorities    who   are    required   by                                                                    
     AS 18.66.300   -   18.66.310  to   provide   continuing                                                                    
     education courses in domestic violence to employees.                                                                       
        * Sec. 31. AS 18.66.060 is amended to read:                                                                           
          Sec. 18.66.060. Qualifications for grants and                                                                       
     contracts.  A local  community entity  is qualified  to                                                                  
     receive a  grant or contract  under this chapter  if it                                                                    
     agrees to  provide services approved by  the council to                                                                    
     victims  of  domestic  violence,  sex  trafficking,  or                                                                
     sexual assault or their families  or to perpetrators of                                                                    
     domestic violence  or sexual assault without  regard to                                                                    
     ability to pay."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 23, following line 19:                                                                                                
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Sec. 34. AS 18.66.990(2) is amended to read:                                                                     
               (2)  "crisis intervention and prevention                                                                         
     program"  means  a   community  program  that  provides                                                                    
     information,   education,   counseling,  and   referral                                                                    
     services  to individuals  experiencing personal  crisis                                                                    
     related  to  domestic  violence,  sex  trafficking,  or                                                                
     sexual  assault  and  to  individuals  in  personal  or                                                                    
     professional  transition, excluding  correctional half-                                                                    
     way  houses,  outpatient  mental health  programs,  and                                                                    
     drug or alcohol rehabilitation programs;"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 29, line 19:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 32"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 36"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 29"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 32"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 30"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 33"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 43"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 47"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:02:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:02:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  explained that Amendment  8 would add  the victims                                                               
of  sex  trafficking to  the  Council  on Domestic  Violence  and                                                               
Sexual Assault  (CDVSA) programs  to support victims.  He offered                                                               
his view that  the state could better address  sex trafficking if                                                               
the  victims  could get  to  safety.  He acknowledged  that  some                                                               
federal resources  were available to provide  services to victims                                                               
of sex trafficking. He hoped  that adding to CDVSA's duties would                                                               
help the council bring those  resources to the state. Ultimately,                                                               
the needs of  victims of sex trafficking could  be different than                                                               
other victims of domestic violence or sexual assault.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:40 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANE  CASTO,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Council  on  Domestic                                                               
Violence and Sexual Assault (CDVSA),  Department of Public Safety                                                               
(DPS), Juneau,  Alaska, stated  that she  had not  considered the                                                               
impacts  of  Amendment  8.  She   said  CDVSA  provides  services                                                               
throughout  Alaska  for  domestic  violence  and  sexual  assault                                                               
victims. Although  the crime  of sex  trafficking is  similar, it                                                               
contains  different elements  of trauma  that victims  experience                                                               
than other victims of sexual assault.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CASTO  highlighted  that  CDVSA  provides  services  via  35                                                               
programs  throughout the  state.  She noted  that  some of  their                                                               
programs  serve  a  few  victims  of  sex  trafficking  who  have                                                               
requested  assistance. While  someone  must  provide services  to                                                               
victims of sex trafficking, it will  take time to consider how to                                                               
integrate  these services  without minimizing  the services  that                                                               
CDVSA  currently provides  to victims  of  domestic violence  and                                                               
sexual assault. Further, she must  consider the cost of providing                                                               
those   services.  Recently,   federal  funding   to  CDVSA   has                                                               
diminished,  so the  council faces  the  possibility of  reducing                                                               
funding to some of its sub-grantees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CASTO  acknowledged  that Amendment  8  has  some  validity.                                                               
However, she could not support  it entirely without discussing it                                                               
with CDVSA's  nine-member board of directors.  Further, she noted                                                               
that since  2013 CDVSA has  consisted of nine staff,  even though                                                               
their budget has significantly increased.  She indicated that the                                                               
council  would need  additional training  to provide  services to                                                               
sex trafficking victims since their  needs differ from victims of                                                               
domestic violence and sexual assault.  She noted that the council                                                               
might  be  the  appropriate  agency   to  serve  victims  of  sex                                                               
trafficking. Still,  the council  would want to  effectively help                                                               
these victims in partnership with  other agencies. She envisioned                                                               
that  it  might be  necessary  to  add agencies  specializing  in                                                               
serving these  victims. She related that  CDVSA's biennial report                                                               
provides  some data  from current  providers because  the council                                                               
asked  them to  identify any  victims of  sex trafficking  in the                                                               
past  six months.  She offered  to  analyze that  data to  better                                                               
determine the level of service  the council currently provides to                                                               
sex trafficking victims.  She said it was not one  of the highest                                                               
types of services that CDVSA provides presently.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  stated  that  the   committee  had  held  similar                                                               
discussions   on  this   bill  and   SB  187.   He  related   his                                                               
understanding that the Violent  Crimes Compensation Commission or                                                               
Office of  Victims' Rights was currently  providing some services                                                               
to victims of  sex trafficking. He wondered if  Amendment 8 would                                                               
provide duplicate services.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  agreed  that this  committee  previously  held  a                                                               
conversation about  the Children's Justice Act  Task Force report                                                               
during a  previous legislature. That  report identified  that the                                                               
state desperately  needed to provide  services to victims  of sex                                                               
trafficking. The task force recognized  the importance of helping                                                               
victims escape  from sex traffickers.  For example,  some victims                                                               
are trapped  by addiction  or violence.  It's essential  first to                                                               
remove  victims of  sex trafficking  from their  circumstances to                                                               
enable the  state to make  cases against the sex  traffickers. He                                                               
agreed that a  few agencies provide some services  to victims. He                                                               
acknowledged  that he  understood that  CDVSA does  not currently                                                               
have the resources to provide  these services. However, Amendment                                                               
8  would set  the state  on a  path to  make that  investment. He                                                               
pointed out that the amendment does  not set a timeline for CDVSA                                                               
to begin providing services, but  the state must address services                                                               
for victims of sex trafficking.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:11:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  asked whether the sponsor  would consider tabling                                                               
Amendment 8 to allow CDVSA to assess impacts.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND asked  Senator Kiehl if would like  to withdraw the                                                               
amendment for future consideration.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated his willingness  to bring back  Amendment 8                                                               
at a later date.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:11:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  commented that  she would like  to hear  from the                                                               
entities  that  currently  provide  services to  victims  of  sex                                                               
trafficking. She offered her view  that passing Amendment 8 would                                                               
put CDVSA  out of compliance if  it did not provide  the services                                                               
to  victims of  sex trafficking  due to  a lack  of funding.  She                                                               
acknowledged  that  the  state   should  assist  victims  of  sex                                                               
trafficking, but it needs to be set up appropriately.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:13:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND withdrew his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:13:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL withdrew Amendment 8.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CASTO commented  that CDVSA would be able to  do much of this                                                               
work  in conjunction  with other  agencies, such  as the  Violent                                                               
Crimes Compensation Board  (VCCB). She stated that  VCCB does not                                                               
provide services,  but it provides  funds to help  compensate for                                                               
crimes against individuals. She  characterized VCCB as a critical                                                               
partner,  and since  it is  housed  in the  Department of  Public                                                               
Safety (DPS),  CDVSA has developed a  close working relationship.                                                               
She identified the  Office of Victims' Rights  as another partner                                                               
that provides  legal services  for victims.  Thus, even  if CDVSA                                                               
were the main organization, it  would provide services to victims                                                               
of sex  trafficking in partnership with  other agencies. Further,                                                               
many of  these crimes  are federal  crimes, so  it would  need to                                                               
work with federal agencies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  9,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 9                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8, line 11, following "AS 11.41.350":                                                                             
          Insert ";"                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8, line 12:                                                                                                           
          Delete "[AS 11.66.130]; or"                                                                                           
          Insert "[AS 11.66.130; OR]"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 8, line 13, following "AS 11.66.135;":                                                                                
          Insert "or                                                                                                        
               (AA)  patron of a victim of sex trafficking                                                                  
     under AS 11.41.355;"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:15:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:15:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  Amendment 9.  He directed  attention to                                                               
page 8,  line 11 of Sec.  9, beginning on page  7, which provides                                                               
that  a person  may not  be  prosecuted for  prostitution if  the                                                               
person  witnessed  or  was  a  victim  of  and  reported  to  law                                                               
enforcement in good faith one  of the crimes listed in subsection                                                               
(c)(1)(A)-(Z). Amendment  9 would add  reporting a patron  of sex                                                               
trafficking to  that list  of crimes. He  stated that  this would                                                               
cover the  instance where  a victim could  report someone  who is                                                               
paying for sex acts but was  reckless to the fact that the person                                                               
was sex trafficked.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  asked whether  the department  had any  comment on                                                               
Amendment 9.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:16:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER responded that the  Department of Law does not take                                                               
a position on Amendment 9.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  removed  his  objection;   he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 9 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:17:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt Amendment  10,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 10                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 18 - 21:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
               "(1)  acting as other than a patron of a                                                                         
     victim of  sex trafficking,  induces or  causes another                                                                    
     person, through  the use  of force  or threat  of force                                                                    
     against  any person,  to  engage  in commercial  sexual                                                                    
     conduct involving                                                                                                          
               (A)  sexual penetration; or                                                                                      
               (B)          conduct     prohibited     under                                                                    
     AS 11.61.140(a)(6);"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:17:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:17:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  explained  that   Amendment  10  relates  to  sex                                                               
trafficking in the  first degree. He offered his view  that it is                                                               
a clean-up amendment. It would ensure  that a person who has been                                                               
sex  trafficked  for  the  purpose   of  bestiality,  with  money                                                               
changing  hands,   would  be  treated   similarly  to   a  person                                                               
trafficked for other sexual conduct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:18:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHY  SCHLINGHEYDE, Staff,  Senator  Jesse  Kiehl, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  explained  that  Amendment 10  was                                                               
technical.  She   related  that  the  sponsor   of  Amendment  10                                                               
understood  the  intent  was  that  all of  the  conduct  in  sex                                                               
trafficking was commercial  in nature. She explained  that it was                                                               
unclear   that    the   commercial    aspect   related    to   AS                                                               
11.61.140(a)(6).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:18:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER stated that the  Department of Law agreed that this                                                               
was a clean-up amendment.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:19:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  withdrew  his  objection;  he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 10 was adopted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt Amendment  11,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 11                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 21, following "person;":                                                                                      
          Insert "or"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 22 - 25:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
               (2)  violates AS 11.41.345 or 11.41.350 and                                                                      
      the person induced or caused to engage in commercial                                                                      
     sexual conduct is                                                                                                          
               (A)  under 20 years of age; or                                                                                   
               (B)  in the legal custody of that person."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:19:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHLINGHEYDE explained that Amendment  11 related to cases in                                                               
which the victim was in the  legal custody of the perpetrator. It                                                               
clarifies  that  it would  be  an  unclassified felony  when  the                                                               
offender violates sex trafficking in  the second or third degree.                                                               
Version I is clear for victims  under the age of 20. However, the                                                               
language  reads "induces  or causes"  when the  victim is  in the                                                               
legal  custody of  the perpetrator,  which does  not capture  the                                                               
elements of sex trafficking in the second or third degree.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER agreed  it was  a clarifying  amendment. She  said                                                               
Amendment 11 would  take the concept on page 2,  lines 22-25, and                                                               
list them  rather than keeping  them in paragraph form,  which is                                                               
much easier to understand.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:20:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  removed  his  objection;   he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 11 was adopted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:21:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said he would not offer Amendment 12.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt Amendment  13,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 13                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 20, line 29:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 11.41.340 - 11.41.350"                                                                                 
          Insert "AS 11.41.340 - 11.41.355"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 26, line 12:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 11.41.340 - 11.41.350"                                                                                 
          Insert "AS 11.41.340 - 11.41.355"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:21:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER explained  Amendment  13 would  add  the crime  of                                                               
"patron  of   sex  trafficking"  to  the   list  of  registerable                                                               
offenses, as  it was in  the original bill. However,  in drafting                                                               
Version I, it dropped off. The  second part of Amendment 13 would                                                               
add  "patron of  a  victim of  sex trafficking"  to  the list  of                                                               
crimes for which a subpoena could be obtained.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:22:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  asked  for   the  registration  requirements  for                                                               
someone  who is  a patron  of  prostitution rather  than for  sex                                                               
trafficking.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER responded  that under  current law,  a person  who                                                               
purchases sexual conduct with a person  under the age of 18 could                                                               
be subject to registering as a  sex offender for a duration of 15                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS offered his view  that the second half of Amendment                                                               
12 related to an administrative  subpoena. However, he was unsure                                                               
about the first half of Amendment 13.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND commented  that one  option  would be  to offer  a                                                               
conceptual amendment to Amendment 13  to strike the first half or                                                               
roll the amendment to a subsequent hearing on SB 189.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:23:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  related her understanding that  this pertained to                                                               
registerable offenses for patrons.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER agreed. She explained  that the original version of                                                               
SB  189   made  the  crime  of   "patron  of  a  victim   of  sex                                                               
trafficking," which is a person  who is reckless about purchasing                                                               
sex from  a victim  of sex  trafficking, a  registerable offense.                                                               
Version I dropped that provision,  so the first part of Amendment                                                               
13 adds that provision. The  crime of "johns" purchasing sex from                                                               
someone under  the age of  18 was  repealed and established  as a                                                               
"patron of  a victim  of sex  trafficking." That  crime separates                                                               
patrons  who are  purchasing sex  from an  adult, from  those who                                                               
purchase  sex from  someone under  the  age of  18. Amendment  13                                                               
would make those crimes a registerable offense.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked for an explanation of reckless.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER responded  that a reckless mental  state means that                                                               
the  person  must  be  aware   of  and  consciously  disregard  a                                                               
substantial and  unjustifiable risk  that a  circumstance exists.                                                               
It would  be a gross deviation  from the standard of  care that a                                                               
reasonable person  would exercise.  The patron  would need  to be                                                               
aware of a substantial risk that  this person was a victim of sex                                                               
trafficking and  disregard that fact. As  Mr. Skidmore previously                                                               
testified, the Department  of Law does not suggest  this would be                                                               
easy  to   prove.  However,  Amendment   13  would   provide  the                                                               
Department of Law with this tool to address that conduct.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  stated her  preference to  keep that  language in                                                               
Amendment 13.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:25:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL turned  to part  two of  Amendment 13.  He related                                                               
that this language relates to  administrative subpoenas. He asked                                                               
for  a comparison  of existing  law  and this  law regarding  the                                                               
severity  of  sentencing  for  a   patron  of  a  victim  of  sex                                                               
trafficking.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER deferred to Mr. Skidmore.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:27:06 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN SKIDMORE,  Deputy Attorney General,  Office of  the Attorney                                                               
General,  Criminal   Division,  Department  of   Law,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska,  understood  the question  was  to  identify the  current                                                               
types   of  crimes   for  which   administrative  subpoenas   are                                                               
authorized related to a patron of sex trafficking.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that  administrative subpoenas  were allowed                                                               
for homicides  and sex  offenses. However, he  would like  to get                                                               
the  full  scope  of  other   crimes  related  to  administrative                                                               
subpoenas.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:29:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.   SKIDMORE  explained   that  Amendment   13  made   specific                                                               
references to the administrative  subpoena powers of the attorney                                                               
general in  a case involving the  use of an internet  account. He                                                               
stated  that   this  identified  AS  11.41.452,   11.41.455,  and                                                               
11.61.125-128.  He explained  that  AS 11.61.125  relates to  the                                                               
current location  for sex trafficking statutes  first through the                                                               
fourth degree. The department has  relocated those statutes to AS                                                               
11.41.  He referred  to page  26, line  12, of  Version I,  which                                                               
adjusts those  references. In addition,  Sec. 36,  subsection (A)                                                               
includes AS 11.41.452  and 11.41.455. He noted  that AS 11.41.452                                                               
relates to  the enticement of  a minor.  That crime relates  to a                                                               
person  over the  age of  18  who is  communicating with  someone                                                               
under  the age  of  16 with  the intent  to  entice, solicit,  or                                                               
encourage the  person under the  age of  16 to engage  in certain                                                               
sex acts or the sharing of information about sexual acts.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:30:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SKIDMORE explained  how this  would relate  to a  patron. He                                                               
stated that AS  11.41.452 relates to an adult trying  to entice a                                                               
minor  to engage  in specific  sexual acts.  He offered  his view                                                               
that this  would be  similar to a  patron attempting  to purchase                                                               
sex from  someone under  the age  of 18  or attempting  to entice                                                               
someone to engage in sexual contact  who is an adult, reckless to                                                               
the  fact  that the  adult  being  enticed  is  a victim  of  sex                                                               
trafficking. He  reiterated that he  believed that conduct  to be                                                               
similar.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:31:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE stated  that during the initial  presentation on the                                                               
bill,  a discussion  indicated that  much of  the conduct  in sex                                                               
trafficking occurs online, which  is why administrative subpoenas                                                               
are used. He related that the enticement  of a minor is a class A                                                               
felony. He  noted that  when the  offender is a  patron, it  is a                                                               
lower-level crime, classified as a C felony.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  stated that  AS 11.41.455  relates to  the unlawful                                                               
exploitation of a  minor, an unclassified felony  when the victim                                                               
is under 13 years of age. It is  a class A felony when the victim                                                               
is over 18  years of age. He noted that  unlawful exploitation of                                                               
a minor  is a crime  in which the  offender intends to  produce a                                                               
live performance, a film, audio,  video, or electronic photo of a                                                               
person  under  the  age  of  18  engaged  in  sexualized  conduct                                                               
prohibited  by law.  He  offered  his view  that  it was  similar                                                               
conduct since it attempts to  engage minors in sexualized conduct                                                               
prohibited  by criminal  law.  The only  difference  is that  the                                                               
other crimes referenced tend to be at a higher level.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:34:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND withdrew Amendment 13.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:34:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt Amendment  14,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 14                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 10, lines 28 - 30:                                                                                                    
          Delete    ""services,    resources,    or    other                                                                    
    assistance"    does   not    include   charitable    or                                                                     
     humanitarian aid provided directly to a victim of sex                                                                      
     trafficking;"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:34:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:34:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER explained  Amendment 14  was a  clean-up amendment                                                               
removing superfluous language. She  stated that this language was                                                               
not  necessary  because  of  how this  statute  was  drafted.  If                                                               
someone was  providing resources,  services, or  other assistance                                                               
directly to a  victim of sex trafficking, it would  be a specific                                                               
intent crime as to the  person's conscious objective to promote a                                                               
violation of those crimes. She  stated that the Department of Law                                                               
could  not  envision   a  situation  in  which   a  person  being                                                               
charitable would have that mental state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND withdrew  his objection,  then noted  that Senator                                                               
Shower had objected to Amendment 14.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:35:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  found no further  objection, and Amendment  14 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  moved  to  adopt Amendment  15,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 15                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR HOLLAND                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 1 - 3:                                                                                                       
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Reletter the following subsections accordingly.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16, line 11:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 11.41.350(d)(1)"                                                                                       
          Insert "AS 11.41.350(c)(1)"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 16, line 31:                                                                                                          
          Delete "AS 11.41.350(d)(2)"                                                                                       
          Insert "AS 11.41.350(c)(2)"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 17, line 7:                                                                                                           
          Delete "AS 11.41.350(d)(1)"                                                                                       
          Insert "AS 11.41.350(c)(1)"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:35:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:36:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER  explained  that   Amendment  15  was  a  clean-up                                                               
amendment. It  would delete  language that  referred to  a client                                                               
referral process.  This language  was unnecessary because  of how                                                               
the statutes  were drafted. The  person would be required  to act                                                               
with the intent  to promote sex trafficking, which  is a specific                                                               
intent crime. She stated that  if someone were referring a client                                                               
to  someone  else,  it  was  unclear that  the  person  would  be                                                               
engaging with the specific intent to promote sex trafficking.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:36:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  about  the  client  referral  process.  He                                                               
wondered  if a  bad actor  knowingly  purchased sex  acts from  a                                                               
victim  of  sex trafficking  and  recommends  that person  to  an                                                               
acquaintance   if  it   constitutes   an  intent   to  have   the                                                               
acquaintance purchase sex acts from that victim.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  stated that she  was unsure why this  language was                                                               
in Version  I because the Department  of Law did not  request it.                                                               
She related  that the  scenario he  described could  be accurate,                                                               
but the  department was unaware  of the  legal reason to  add the                                                               
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL offered  his view  that  Amendment 15  was a  good                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:38:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS related  his understanding  that the  goal was  to                                                               
punish certain  activities but  not impact  those unaware  of sex                                                               
trafficking.  He said  he  was somewhat  inclined  to leave  that                                                               
language  in  place to  clarify  that  a  "john"  who went  to  a                                                               
prostitute and recommended that  prostitute would not necessarily                                                               
relate to sex trafficking.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL related  his understanding  that  this would  only                                                               
require  prosecution  if  the  intent   to  promote  existed.  He                                                               
surmised  that it  would  be  difficult to  prove,  but it  would                                                               
acknowledge  the unwitting  person because  the person  must have                                                               
the intention to promote sex traffic.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:39:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER maintained his objection.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:40:13 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:42:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked whether  a person  who intended  to promote                                                               
sex trafficking by referring a client could be charged.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  answered no, explaining  that it must be  based on                                                               
the conduct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES suggested this should  be deleted. She stated that                                                               
the  legislature  would want  the  Department  of Law  to  pursue                                                               
individuals promoting sex trafficking.  She indicated her support                                                               
for Amendment 15.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:33 PM                                                                                                                    
A roll call  vote was taken. Senators Hughes,  Kiehl, and Holland                                                               
voted in  favor of  Amendment 15, and  Senators Myers  and Shower                                                               
voted against  it. Therefore, Amendment  15 was adopted by  a 3:2                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND stated  that Amendment 15 was adopted on  a vote of                                                               
3 yeas and 2 nays.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt Amendment  16,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 16                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 5 - 6:                                                                                                       
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
               "(1)  "place of prostitution" means any                                                                          
     place  where  a  person engages  in  commercial  sexual                                                                    
     conduct in return  for a fee and the person  is not the                                                                    
     manager,  supervisor,   owner,  or  other   person  who                                                                    
     controls the place;"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:44:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:44:47 PM.                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  KIEHL explained  that Amendment  16  would provide  some                                                               
specificity  to the  definition  of "place  of prostitution."  He                                                               
stated it would  ensure that a place of prostitution  cannot be a                                                               
place where  the prostitute acts  as their own manager.  It would                                                               
require another person to be involved in prostitution.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:45:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER deferred to Mr. Skidmore.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE stated that this  changes the language by adding the                                                               
phrase "and the person is  not the manager, supervisor, owner, or                                                               
other person who  controls the place" when discussing  a place of                                                               
prostitution.   He  explained   this  would   mean  a   place  of                                                               
prostitution would  be where a  person is engaging  in commercial                                                               
sex  conduct  in exchange  for  a  fee.  The  person is  not  the                                                               
manager, supervisor,  owner, or  another person who  controls the                                                               
place.  He surmised  that Amendment  16 was  trying to  say if  a                                                               
person manages, supervises, or owns  their residence, it is not a                                                               
place  of prostitution  unless a  second person  is involved.  He                                                               
noted that  this might work  in conjunction with the  other term,                                                               
"prostitution enterprise,"  an arrangement  in which two  or more                                                               
persons are  organized to render  sexual conduct in return  for a                                                               
fee. He stated that the department doesn't have a position.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES asked whether this would affect any policy.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE answered no. He offered  his belief that it does not                                                               
substantially  impact "a  place  of  prostitution." He  concurred                                                               
with  Senator  Kiehl's  assessment  that it  would  clarify  what                                                               
qualifies as "a place of prostitution."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:48:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  said suppose  a sex trafficker  told a  victim to                                                               
use  their apartment  or  was on  the title  as  a co-owner.  She                                                               
related her understanding that Amendment 16 would apply.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.   SKIDMORE  answered   that  "place   of  prostitution"   and                                                               
"prostitution  enterprise"  pertain  to a  commercial  aspect  of                                                               
prostitution. He said  it wouldn't relate to  a single individual                                                               
but  could be  a hotel  room,  apartment, or  flophouse used  for                                                               
prostitution. He stated  that Amendment 16 would  not prevent the                                                               
Department of  Law from charging  another individual  for forcing                                                               
someone to  engage in  commercial sexual  conduct related  to sex                                                               
trafficking.  This  provision  only focuses  on  instances  where                                                               
someone   owns,  manages,   or  controls   a  location   where  a                                                               
significant amount of prostitution occurs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:50:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES wondered whether it would  be a worse crime if the                                                               
perpetrator had  a place  of prostitution  than if  they required                                                               
all their victims  to use their apartments  for commercial sexual                                                               
activity.  She  further asked  if  the  perpetrator would  get  a                                                               
lighter sentence.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE   answered  no.  He  explained   that  a  different                                                               
subsection would  address the person controlling  the sex workers                                                               
rather  than controlling  the location.  He noted  that a  person                                                               
could be  prosecuted for controlling the  location or controlling                                                               
the  person.  Amendment  16 would  more  expressly  describe  the                                                               
limits  on  controlling  the  location,  but  if  the  trafficker                                                               
controls the people, it is still punishable at the same level.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  removed  his  objection;   he  found  no  further                                                               
objection, and Amendment 16 was adopted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:52:40 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:53:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved  to  adopt Amendment  17,  work  order  32-                                                               
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                          AMENDMENT 17                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
OFFERED IN THE SENATE                       BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                    
     TO:  CSSB 189(JUD), Draft Version "I"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 2 - 6:                                                                                                       
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     "violates AS 11.41.365 and the victim is                                                                               
               (1)  under 20 years of age; or                                                                               
               (2)  in the legal custody of that person                                                                     
     [COMPELS OR INDUCES ANOTHER PERSON  TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL                                                                    
     CONDUCT, ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, OR  LABOR IN THE STATE BY                                                                    
     FORCE  OR THREAT  OF FORCE  AGAINST ANY  PERSON, OR  BY                                                                    
     DECEPTION]."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 5, lines 16 - 31:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     "force or  threat of force against  any person [OBTAINS                                                                
     A  BENEFIT FROM  THE  COMMISSION  OF HUMAN  TRAFFICKING                                                                    
     UNDER  AS 11.41.360, WITH  RECKLESS DISREGARD  THAT THE                                                                    
     BENEFIT IS A RESULT OF THE TRAFFICKING]."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 4, following "if":                                                                                            
          Insert "(1) under circumstances not proscribed                                                                        
     under AS 11.41.340 - 11.41.355,  and with the intent to                                                                    
     promote  human trafficking,  induces or  causes another                                                                    
     person to engage in adult entertainment or labor by                                                                        
               (A)  exposing or threatening to expose                                                                           
     confidential information,  whether true or  false, that                                                                    
     would  subject   a  person  to  hatred,   contempt,  or                                                                    
     ridicule;                                                                                                                  
               (B)  destroying, concealing, or threatening                                                                      
     to destroy  or conceal an actual  or purported passport                                                                    
     or immigration document or  another actual or purported                                                                    
     identification document of any person;                                                                                     
               (C)  threatening to report a person to a                                                                         
     government  agency   for  the  purpose  of   arrest  or                                                                    
     deportation;                                                                                                               
              (D)  threatening to collect a debt;                                                                               
               (E)  instilling in a person a fear that                                                                          
     lodging,   food,  clothing,   or  medication   will  be                                                                    
     withheld from any person;                                                                                                  
               (F)  providing a controlled substance or                                                                         
     withholding  a  controlled  substance  from  the  other                                                                    
     person; or                                                                                                                 
               (G)  deception; or                                                                                               
               (2)"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line 8, following "if":                                                                                            
          Insert "(A)  the person violates (a)(1) of this                                                                       
     section;                                                                                                                   
               (B)"                                                                                                             
2:53:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:54:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHLINGHEYDE  explained Amendment 17 would  address levels of                                                               
human  trafficking. She  referred  to page  5,  lines 2-6,  human                                                               
trafficking in  the first degree,  which includes a  victim under                                                               
20 years  of age, which is  currently in the bill.  It would also                                                               
add a  victim in the legal  custody of the perpetrator,  which is                                                               
not currently  in the bill  but mirrors  the language in  the sex                                                               
trafficking section, elevating it  to an unclassified felony when                                                               
force or inducement was used.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHLINGHEYDE referred  to page  5, lines  16-31. She  stated                                                               
that  human  trafficking in  the  second  degree would  be  using                                                               
"force or threat  of force" to induce someone to  engage in adult                                                               
entertainment or labor, a class A felony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHLINGHEYDE referred  to page  6, line  4. She  stated that                                                               
human  trafficking in  the  third degree  would  be when  someone                                                               
causes or  induces a person  to engage in adult  entertainment or                                                               
labor,  which would  be  a  class B  felony  as  per the  current                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:56:04 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:56:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND reconvened the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  related  his  understanding  that  the  committee                                                               
substitute (CS) for SB 189,  Version I, would raise the penalties                                                               
of human  trafficking by a notch.  For example, a class  A felony                                                               
was increased  to an  unclassified felony, and  a class  B felony                                                               
was increased to  a class A felony. He  related his understanding                                                               
that  Amendment 17  would  reduce the  penalties  to current  law                                                               
except when  the victim is  under 18 years  of age or  is someone                                                               
under  the  offender's care.  In  those  instances, the  sentence                                                               
would be increased to an unclassified felony.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:57:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHLINGHEYDE  answered yes, primarily so.  She explained that                                                               
Amendment 17  maintains the changes  in the  committee substitute                                                               
(CS) for  SB 189, Version  I related to  some of the  elements of                                                               
the  offense,  such as  defining  force  or  threat of  force  or                                                               
listing the ways  a victim could be induced. She  referred to the                                                               
language on  page 1, line 20  of Amendment 17, which  matches the                                                               
language in Version I.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL added  that the  rationale related  to forcing  or                                                               
inducing someone into labor. He  noted that Mr. Skidmore used the                                                               
term "slavery."  He explained that  Amendment 17 would  treat sex                                                               
slavery more severely than other work.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:59:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND asked whether Amendment  17 would need a conceptual                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:59:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL responded that the  committee might need to clarify                                                               
that  human  trafficking  does   not  include  parents  requiring                                                               
children to do  work for the family within the  bounds of reason.                                                               
For example, shoveling  the walk or the roof  would be considered                                                               
chores, not human trafficking.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLLAND  asked  the  Department   of  Law  to  comment  on                                                               
Amendment 17.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:59:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. SCHROEDER deferred to Mr. Skidmore.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SKIDMORE  stated  that  Amendment 17  does  not  change  the                                                               
penalty for  human trafficking  in the  first degree  for victims                                                               
who  are 20  years  of age,  but  it adds  victims  in the  legal                                                               
custody of  the offender. He  agreed with Senator Kiehl  that the                                                               
intent  of SB  189 was  not  to include  parents assigning  their                                                               
children chores as human  traffickers. Instead, human trafficking                                                               
refers to  inappropriate labor, such  as threatening  to withhold                                                               
food,  lodging, or  clothing.  He acknowledged  that  if a  child                                                               
wanted a  nice pair  of jeans,  and the  parent states  they will                                                               
withhold the jeans until the  child shovels the driveway or roof,                                                               
it could  technically be considered  human trafficking  under the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.   SKIDMORE  turned   to  the   penalty  provisions   for  sex                                                               
trafficking in  Amendment 17. He reviewed  the penalty provisions                                                               
for  human trafficking.  Under current  law, using  force or  the                                                               
threat of force  is a class A felony rather  than an unclassified                                                               
felony.  He  said  the  sex  trafficking  statutes  classify  the                                                               
crimes,  including use  of force  or when  a victim  is under  20                                                               
years  of  age,  as  sex  trafficking in  the  first  degree.  He                                                               
explained that  the penalty for  an unclassified felony  that was                                                               
not  a sex  offense could  result in  a sentencing  range from  5                                                               
years  to 99  years.  He cautioned  that the  higher  end of  the                                                               
spectrum  is  not  what  happens  in  most  cases;  instead,  the                                                               
penalties begin  with five years of  imprisonment for threatening                                                               
someone  with force.  He stated  that reducing  it to  a class  A                                                               
felony would result in a 4  to 7 years sentencing range, which is                                                               
not a  substantial difference. He highlighted  that the penalties                                                               
for  the list  of  human trafficking  crimes  that promote  labor                                                               
would be reduced from  a class A felony to either a  class B or a                                                               
class C felony. He stated  that the restructuring does not follow                                                               
the same  framework for  sex trafficking.  He agreed  the penalty                                                               
provisions  should  be tiered,  but  the  conduct is  broken  out                                                               
differently for human trafficking. He  acknowledged that it was a                                                               
policy call for  the legislature to decide how  to sanction those                                                               
engaging in human trafficking.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:04:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL related his understanding  that the severity of the                                                               
class A felony and class B  felony lined up with current law. His                                                               
proposed  changes were  reduced from  the original  bill but  not                                                               
from current Alaska law.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER agreed that was her understanding of Amendment 17.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:05:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL withdrew  Amendment 17 with the  intention to offer                                                               
it at a later date.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:06:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND held SB 189 in committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:06:28 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Holland  adjourned the Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 3:06 p.m.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CS SB 189 version I (SJUD).pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 189
SB189 - Letter of Opposition to version I (CUSP).pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 189
SB 189 Summary of Changes A to I.pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 189
SB 189 SJUD Amendment Packet.pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 189
SJC SB 187 and SB 189 - The Legislative Intent.pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 187
SB 189
AKPIRG_Oppose SB 189.pdf SJUD 3/30/2022 1:30:00 PM
SB 189